Dante, I ran into Randall and he filled my head with knowledge after I showed him your comment:
Ok, let's take this in pieces because there is an overabundance of misleading and unsubstantiated claims being made by none other than a Bush supporter. Now, I am not one to care who you like or who you dislike; however, I can not condone the spewing of factless information to be purported as valid fact. David Cross once commented that Americans are "willfully ignorant" in regards to politics and what is occurring in the world, and Dante you just nominated yourself captain of that prestigious vessel. Now for the facts (notice that facts come with a citation that identifies a reputable source for information, unlike heresy, propaganda, or Rush Limbaugh)...
Dante's claim: "Big Business??? GW is not just for them he is for us too... I got my check. You are not enjoying the tax cuts?"
Fact(s) overlooked by Dante: According to the Center for Tax Justice,
*Over the ten-year period, the richest Americans-the best-off one percent-are slated to receive tax cuts totaling almost half a trillion dollars. The $477 billion in tax breaks the Bush administration has targeted to this elite group will average $342,000 each over the decade.
*By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 percent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent-whose average 2010 income will be $1.5 million. Their tax-cut windfall in that year alone will average $85,000 each. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.
*As a result, freezing the Bush tax cuts at their 2002 levels would have little or no effect on 99 percent of the taxpayers, whose tax cuts are already mostly or completely "frozen." Only the best-off one percent of the taxpayers will receive significant additional tax cuts if the rest of the Bush tax program continues to be implemented.
(If you'd like to see the numbers being crunched and further bleak forecasts, just click on the link and enjoy.)
Source: http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm ; Center for Tax Justice, Year-by-Year Analysis of the Bush Tax Cuts Shows Growing Tilt to the Very Rich, 12 June 2002.
In the event that you don't feel that the Center for Tax Justice is a bipartisan enough source to satisfy your conservative tastes, consider this citation from the Washington Post that cites GOP LAWMAKERS trying to scale back Bush's wonderful tax cut.
"Confronted with ever-widening deficit forecasts, some key congressional Republicans worried about the long-term budgetary effects of President Bush's tax cuts are preparing legislation to scale back the cuts by the end of the decade." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A20791-2004Mar1¬Found=true; Weisman, Jonathon. Some GOP Lawmakers Aim To Scale Back Bush Tax Cut. Washington Post. 2 March 2004).
Now, you'll notice that it mentions that the reason they want to scale back part of the tax cuts is because they are "confronted with ever-widening deficit forecasts." How odd is it that Bush entered office with a surplus and has now amassed the largest deficit this country has ever seen? It is a clockwork orange indeed. Moving on,how could that possibly effect the US population? Oh yeah that's right, as Cheney ascertained, "Reagan proved that deficits mean nothing."
Moving on, Dante's next claim: "I'd rather have a little more scratch in my pocket than a bigger tax bill and more folks on the dole who could be working for a living like we do."
I can not argue with Dante on this one, I too, would like to have more money in my pocket and have more "folks on the dole who could be working for a living like we do." However, I think Dante has neglected to notice the monthly job reports issued out by the Department of Labor. To writ:
Fact overlooked by Dante: "For the third straight month, America's expanding economy failed to produce significant job growth, the Department of Labor reported this morning.
The number of non-farm jobs increased by only 21,000 in February, well short of expectations for an increase of 125,000 jobs -- dramatically short of the steady 200,00 to 300,000 per month job creation rate economists consider necessary to produce a recovery in the job market.
…An average of just 42,000 jobs have been created each month in the last three months, down from the 79,000 average of the prior three months. Economists say gains near 150,000 are needed each month just to keep pace with labor force growth."
-Barbash, Fred. February Job Growth Surprisingly Weak. Washington Post, 5 March 2004. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A32756-2004Mar5¬Found=true .
So this explains the job market scene up to February, and since this is still March, there have been no releases as yet for March's job growth; however it is interesting to note once more that in February 2004, as stated above, only 21,000 jobs were created IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. I understand that Dante may feel that the comparison he is making compared to the aforementioned Washington Times article's information concerning job recovery are completely unrelated since the tax cuts may or may not create job growth; however, I must ask, what, IF ANY, good has come of the tax cuts then? If the tax cuts were to help small business open, operate, and prosper so that they may bolster their employment then why, three years after the FIRST tax cut, is employment about as high as an earthworm's belly?
Dante's next claim/question: "I'd like to hear more. I'd like to know how much better the economy will be if we all have less money to spend. How is Kerry going to stop jobs from going overseas?"
…seek and thee shall find.
Fact overlooked by Dante: I don't even need a citation to answer Dante's first question, the employment of common sense should suffice. Without a job you won't have to worry about having less money to spend because you won't have any source of income, hence YOU WON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO BEGIN WITH. This has nothing to do with the specter of Kerry raising taxes and everything to do with common sense. Bluntly put: the economy is strong but there are no jobs, which means that among the working class, there is less money to be spent as a result of not having a job not from the apparition of a tax hike. So, to answer's Dante's question, "how IS Kerry going to stop jobs from flowing overseas?" Well, gee whiz Wilbur, I don't know…
"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, encountering the other side of a tempestuous debate in the United States, sought to assure Indians on Tuesday that the Bush administration would not try to halt the "outsourcing" of high-technology jobs to their country."
-Weisman, Steven R. "In India, Powell assures outsourcing won't stop." The New York Times. 17 March 2004. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595049584,00.html.
Well, here's a novel idea: you can stop jobs from going overseas by NOT CONDONING IT visa-vi sending your Secretary of State to the country where most US jobs go, to "assure" that country that the current US administration would not try to alter the flow of jobs overseas. Now when you read this New York Times article saying that Powell was assuring the Indians that US jobs will continue to flow to Her, just keep in mind that only 21,000 thousand jobs (as cited herein) were created in the US during the month of March 2004.
Oh yeah, don't forget that "since President Bush took office, the economy has lost more than 2 million jobs" (this varies from partisan publication to partisan publication, hence the NYTimes was used due to its large standing among both parties) (Gilpin, Kenneth N. U.S. Adds Fewer New Jobs Than Expected; Jobless Rate Falls. 6 February 2004. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/06/business/06CND-ECON.html?ex=1080450000&en=cd0011013ee7ac6c&ei=5070) . So since GW's watch, we, as a country, have lost at the least two million jobs and his answer to stopping the flow of US jobs overseas is to send his Secretary of State to India to assure them that we will continue to send US jobs overseas? As was said so eloquently in "The Outlaw Josey Wales", "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Also, I noticed that the article's headline as well as its contents make mention that the unemployment rate fell for the period being mentioned, but this still does not alter the fact, as mentioned by Gilpin, that two million people have BECOME, not already were, unemployed since Mr. Bush took office; this fact is uncontestable.
And that's it for the facts, however I feel it necessary to still respond to the remainder of Dante's blurb concerning terrorism. I agree with him that we, as Americans, will always be the target of terrorism because they hate us. I agree; I can not disagree. I, too, remember how I felt when those towers went down and I, too, remember how pissed I was when people danced in the streets over our calamity; however, Dante, I feel that you need to brush up on your US history. We, as a nation, have been openly and covertly killing people in other countries too. We are not the white knight that we, as children, are taught that our country is. I am not saying this country is not a great place to live, nor am I saying that it is an evil country, all I am saying is that this conflict is not one-sided; we are as guilty as they are of acts of terrorism, the only difference being that we are a recognized government and superpower, hence our immunity. When a country is at "war" all those they kill are enemies, while when a group of individuals, motives aside, are at "war" and kill someone, they are murderers. This is a hard concept to grasp because it seems to shame the US and blacken it; however, this is not the aim nor the case, it is simply stating that we are not innocent in this either. Case in point:
"Though a complete accounting of civilian casualties may not be possible, some attempts to quantify the dead have been made. The Associated Press canvassed sixty of Iraq's 124 hospitals immediately after the end of major combat operations and calculated that at least 3,420 civilians died. The Associated Press described the count as "fragmentary" and said, "the complete toll-if it is ever tallied-is sure to be significantly higher."19 The Los Angeles Times did a survey of twenty-seven hospitals in Baghdad and outlying areas and found that at least 1,700 civilians died and more than 8,000 were injured in the capital." (accessed via Human Rights Watch.org; document found here: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/3.htm#_ftn20)
-Niko Price "3,240 Civilian Deaths in Iraq," Associated Press, June 10, 2003.
-Laura King, "Baghdad's Death Toll Assessed," Los Angeles Times, May 18, 2003.
To quote a line from Jim Croce: "Do you say what's wrong for him is not wrong for me?"
What is the answer to combating terrorism? Honestly Dante, I don't know and I don't have an answer for it, no one does. What I do know is that Bush has lied and failed the American people in almost every arena his cowboy boots have swaggered into and this is why he must go.